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 ====== Cylinder / Head Bolt Issues and Repair ====== ====== Cylinder / Head Bolt Issues and Repair ======
 ===== Sub Documents ===== ===== Sub Documents =====
-See also [[techtalk:evo:engmech03b|Time-Sert Repair on Engine Case Cylinder / Head Stud Hole]] in the Sportsterpedia for cylinder / head stud repair. +See also in the Sportsterpedia: 
- +  * [[techtalk:evo:engmech03b|Time-Sert Repair on Engine Case Cylinder / Head Stud Hole]] 
 +  * [[techtalk:ref:tools023#warped_or_damaged_thread_repair|Warped or Damaged Thread Repair]]
 ===== Loose Head Bolt Studs ===== ===== Loose Head Bolt Studs =====
 A big concern about the studs becoming loose is the threads being stripped in the case. \\ A big concern about the studs becoming loose is the threads being stripped in the case. \\
 The two side by side bolt holes on the right side in the pic below are each drilled into the opposing holes and tapped. \\ The two side by side bolt holes on the right side in the pic below are each drilled into the opposing holes and tapped. \\
 So each hole is depending, in part, of the strength of the other. \\ So each hole is depending, in part, of the strength of the other. \\
-With the bolts loosening, it is at least suspect that the threads or the hole strength is compromised. ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2074117&page=2)) \\+With the bolts loosening, it is at least suspect that the threads or the hole strength is compromised. ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/197474-leaking-head-gasket-loose-head-bolts/page2?t=2074117&page=2)) \\
  
-|  Weakest head stud holes in the case. ((photo by Hippysmack))  | +|  Weakest head stud holes in the case. ((photo by Hippysmack))  |  Head bolt pulled out of the case. ((photo by Blue Scoot of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/198541-repairing-cylinder-studs-cases/page5#post4360678))  | 
-|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:weakest_cylinder_bolt_threads_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|+|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:weakest_cylinder_bolt_threads_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:head_bolt_pulled_out_by_blue_scoot.jpg?direct&300|}}|
  
 There is a procedure in the manual for tightening the studs before installing the cylinders and heads. \\ There is a procedure in the manual for tightening the studs before installing the cylinders and heads. \\
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 If a stud is backing out, it could have simply be from it being installed improperly to begin with. \\ If a stud is backing out, it could have simply be from it being installed improperly to begin with. \\
 It is possible that the stud turned when the head cap nuts were removed. \\ It is possible that the stud turned when the head cap nuts were removed. \\
-Heat plays a role in what happens to the studs / nuts also and can lock the cap screw tighter than the stud is to the case.+Heat plays a role in what happens to the studs / nuts also and can lock the cap screw tighter than the stud is to the case. \\
 So it is possible that the top nut was just tight to the stud before breaking loose. \\ So it is possible that the top nut was just tight to the stud before breaking loose. \\
 First try and remove any studs that back out and check the threads in the case as well as the stud. \\ First try and remove any studs that back out and check the threads in the case as well as the stud. \\
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 This will also cause a leak if not done properly. \\ This will also cause a leak if not done properly. \\
  \\  \\
-===== Stud Removal ===== 
  
-==== Using stud removal tools to loosen the stud ==== +==== Soaking the threads for easier removal ==== 
- +Soaking the threads is usually advised before attempting to remove them. \\
-|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:bent_socket_ext_while_removing_cylinder_stud_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:broken_stud_extractor_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:damaged_cylinder_stud_while_removing_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}| +
- +
-The idea below to soak the threads in oil was in response to the broken tool(s) above. \\+
 Due to the angle of the block, it's not possible to actually leave anything next to the threads since it will simply slide down the block. \\ Due to the angle of the block, it's not possible to actually leave anything next to the threads since it will simply slide down the block. \\
 So a 'holding chamber' was made to let the oil sit and penetrate the threads. \\ So a 'holding chamber' was made to let the oil sit and penetrate the threads. \\
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 This made removing the stud with an 18" pipe wrench easier the next day. \\ This made removing the stud with an 18" pipe wrench easier the next day. \\
 {{:techtalk:evo:engmech:stuck_cylinder_stud_removal_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Hippysmack)) {{:techtalk:evo:engmech:stuck_cylinder_stud_removal_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Hippysmack))
 +
 +===== Stud Removal =====
 +
 +==== Using stud removal tools to loosen the stud ====
 +|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:bent_socket_ext_while_removing_cylinder_stud_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:broken_stud_extractor_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:damaged_cylinder_stud_while_removing_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|
  
 ==== Using a pipe wrench to loosen the stud ==== ==== Using a pipe wrench to loosen the stud ====
 +
 +A propane torch works well to melt or loosen old Loctite (red or blue) on the threads. \\
  
 Catch the stud down low, but not so low as to run the wrench into the block. \\ Catch the stud down low, but not so low as to run the wrench into the block. \\
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 The pipe wrench is mainly to break torque. It's easier to get out of hand and damage something if it's not needed after that. \\ The pipe wrench is mainly to break torque. It's easier to get out of hand and damage something if it's not needed after that. \\
  
-===== Stripped Case Threads =====+If the pipe wrench slips, you may need to adjust the wrench so the stud is closer to the inside teeth. \\ 
 +You may need to loosen the jaws to move the stud back. \\ 
 +The wrench doesn't have to be tight against the stud to grip. \\ 
 +It works by the magic of binding onto the stud. \\ 
 +It's important to hold center on the wrench and stud with one hand. \\ 
 +You can try getting a grip by tilting the handle up with just a little pressure and then back level. \\ 
 +You just have to find a way to make the wrench bind against the stud. \\
  
 +|If the wrench doesn't grip, make it bind on the stud.  ((photo by Blue Scoot of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-motor-engine/sportster-motorcycle-motor-top-end/197474-leaking-head-gasket-loose-head-bolts/page6?t=2074117&highlight=head+gasket&page=6))  |
 +|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:removing_cylinder_stud_with_pipe_wrench_by_blue_scoot.jpg?direct&300|}}|
 +
 +==== Using Double Nuts / Jam Nuts ====
 +Install 2 nuts on the top threads and torque the two nuts to 35ft pounds or higher. \\
 +Be aware the tall studs can stretch if it takes too much torque to break them free. \\
 +Be sure to use rags around the bore so as to not get any debris in the engine while removing the stud(s). \\
 +
 +|  Three jam nuts used here. ((photo by A 4 liter V8 eater of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/frame-mount-evo-sportster-talk-1986-2003-models/148266-building-a-90-inch-sledge-hammer/page11#post3236162))|
 +|{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:tightening_cylinder_-_head_studs_by_a_4_liter_v8_eater.png?direct&300|}}|
 +
 +===== Cleaning the Case Threads =====
 +The threads on the head studs as well as in the case need to be clean and free of rust / debris and they need to be straight in order to obtain proper torque on the heads. \\
 +
 +The photos below are of before (L) and after (R) chasing the case threads with a 3/8"x16 tap. \\
 +The dirty threads will add preload to the torque readings and can easily give false readings on the wrench which could affect head gasket performance. \\
 +
 +{{:techtalk:evo:engmech:head_bolt_threads_before_chasing_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Hippysmack)) {{:techtalk:evo:engmech:head_bolt_threads_chased_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Hippysmack)) \\
 +
 +===== Stripped Case Threads =====
 These could be repaired with Heli-coils. \\ These could be repaired with Heli-coils. \\
 But the repair must be straight with no wobble when drilling. \\ But the repair must be straight with no wobble when drilling. \\

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