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| ====== REF: Carburetor, Intake Manifold & Exhaust - Sub-01V ====== | ====== REF: Carburetor, Intake Manifold & Exhaust - Sub-01V ====== |
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| ====== S&S G, F and L Series General Information ====== | ====== S&S G, F and L Series General Information and Pics ====== |
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| The metering circuits of these carbs are configured for the best 1/4 mile performance. No consideration at all was given for street operation or kick starting. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1022912&page=7)) \\ | The metering circuits of these carbs are configured for the best 1/4 mile performance. No consideration at all was given for street operation or kick starting. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/109699-hot-rod-parts-thread/page7?t=1022912&page=7)) \\ |
| These were race only carbs for HD dragsters only, not for street bikes. \\ | These were race only carbs for HD dragsters only, not for street bikes. \\ |
| That didn't stop anybody from putting them on the street bikes which may be where the bad rap these carbs carry came from. \\ | That didn't stop anybody from putting them on the street bikes which may be where the bad rap these carbs carry came from. \\ |
| {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_4_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_5_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_13_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM)) \\ | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_4_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_5_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_13_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM)) \\ |
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| | There are 5 different versions of this 'type' made before the Supers replaced them and 2 more versions offered in limited numbers along side the Supers. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/123529-setting-points/page3#post2606131)) \\ |
| | Each of the 7 were tailored to different motor sizes and applications. \\ |
| | Wrong one on wrong motor was/is a disaster in many areas. Throttle response is one of the problems. Although, the right carb on right motor was/is spectacular. \\ |
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| | The 'GBL' was the only one of the 7 designed to be a street carb that would match up to the specific requirements of a stock 900. \\ |
| | It was also 'smallest' of the 7 and it was made side by side with the 'GAL' (biggest). Only 3 years these two models were sold (1972-74) with most being the 'GAL'. \\ |
| | So these carbs are rare, expensive and old and that keeps them under the radar. Many got molested in the ensuing 37 years. \\ |
| | But for the guy who does take the plunge and experiences the way his 900 runs with it puts the 'GBL' in the 'never sell' category. \\ |
| | S&S sand cast carbs were made by us and for our bikes only (made by HD nuts for HD nuts). \\ |
| | All the sand cast units share 3 things: |
| | - No pump. |
| | - The entire throat is precision machined from ac to manifold. |
| | - They have long air column lengths with the discharge tube quite far upstream of throttle butterfly (they hit your leg). |
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| | The entire sand cast gasoline models. (may be out of order): \\ |
| | * G - drag only, big motors. |
| | * GA - drag with slight mods to make 'street-able', big motor. |
| | * GB - same but for small motors. |
| | * GAL - street carb, big motor. |
| | * GBL - street use, small motor. |
| | * Super A - 1st one size fits all, street use. |
| | * Super B - refined Super A, street use. |
| | * MGAL GAL - reintroduced with provisions for snap throttle street, big motor. |
| | * MGL MGAL - with super style main circuit & two jet intermediate circuit, big motor, street. |
| | * Super D - larger Super B, giant motor claimed to be drag only but circuitry is street. |
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| | The first 3 were race only carbs. The rest were street carbs with race tendencies. Mis-application of the first 4 was very common. \\ |
| | G, GA, GAL, F AND FA series are all 1-7/8" butterfly. GB and FB series are both 1-3/4". ((mrmom9r of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) \\ |
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| | ==== S&S G, GA, GAL ==== |
| | The 'G' is the very first S&S carb model ever sold to the public. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/109699-hot-rod-parts-thread/page7?t=1022912&page=7)) \\ |
| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_3_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_6_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)){{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_7_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) \\ |
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| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_2_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/109699-hot-rod-parts-thread/page7?t=1022912&page=7)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_1_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/109699-hot-rod-parts-thread/page7?t=1022912&page=7)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_14_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/109699-hot-rod-parts-thread/page7?t=1022912&page=7)) \\ |
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| | GAL (center, first pic \\ |
| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_9_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)){{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_10_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_gal_by_monte03.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Monte03 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/187894-few-questions-on-s-s-gal-carb?t=2004343)) \\ |
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| | ==== S&S GB & GBL ==== |
| | GB \\ |
| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_8_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) \\ |
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| | GBL \\ |
| | This carb will be fine on an 88" motor. Here's the basic stuff you need to deal with. \\ |
| | Manifold: use the Super B or Super E manifold. \\ |
| | Air Cleaner: the entire Super B setup is a bolt on to L series. \\ |
| | Throttle: this goes to the action cable of the 2 cable system. Forget the idle cable exists for now. \\ |
| | All sportsters 1972> open the throttle plate when the inner cable retreats into the outer coil. \\ |
| | In other words, the braided cable 'pulls' the throttle plate open. The L series (except mgl) is set up for the 1971< throttle plate actuation. \\ |
| | In this setup the inner cable was not braided. It was a solid wire because the inner wire pushed the throttle plate open. \\ |
| | You need to reverse this action at the carb. |
| | For instance: \\ |
| | 1st get a Super B throttle shaft and install it in the GAL. It's longer on the forward end compared to the GAL shaft. \\ |
| | The added length will allow you to install a second throttle lever assembly on the longer shaft. This lever is also Super B. \\ |
| | See the first pic below. The shaft extension will be less (but still enough) on a GAL. \\ |
| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_gbl_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/187894-few-questions-on-s-s-gal-carb/page2?t=2004343&page=2)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_10_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)){{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_carbs_11_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) \\ |
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| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_gbl_carb_1_by_monte03.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Monte03 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/109699-hot-rod-parts-thread/page7?t=1022912&page=7)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_gbl_carb_2_by_monte03.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Monte03 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/109699-hot-rod-parts-thread/page7?t=1022912&page=7)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_gbl_carb_3_by_monte03.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Monte03 of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/109699-hot-rod-parts-thread/page9?t=1022912&page=9)) \\ |
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| | FB \\ |
| | Here's an FB converted to an FA with the popular dual float bowl conversion pioneered by Gordon Kately. \\ |
| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_fb_carb_by_mrmom9r.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by mrmom9r of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) \\ |
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| | Mods \\ |
| | Here is a fabricated 2-1/4" version of an early G style carb (L) below. \\ |
| | And a fabricated 2-3/8" which used a fuel pump with a Holley float bowl and accelerator pump (R). \\ |
| | Ten of the 2-1/4" carbs and 25 of the 2-3/8" carbs were built. Both saw action in AMRA Pro Stock and a few of the 2-3/8"s on the streets of Houston, Tx. \\ |
| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_modded_g_style_carb_1_by_mrmom.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by mrmom9r of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_modded_g_style_carb_2_by_mrmom.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by mrmom9r of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/166320-need-pics-of-carbs?t=1786621)) \\ |
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| | ====== Throttle Cable ====== |
| | This GBL has a modded bracket to accept any cabling system (push or pull - solid or braided). \\ |
| | {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_gbl_throttle_mod_1_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/179861-factory-carburetors/page3?t=1932694&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_gbl_throttle_mod_2_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/179861-factory-carburetors/page3?t=1932694&page=3)) {{:techtalk:ref:carb:sands_gbl_throttle_mod_3_by_dr_dick.jpg?direct&300|}} ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https://www.xlforum.net/forum/sportster-motorcycle-forum/sportster-motorcycle-era-specific-and-model-specific/ironhead-sportster-motorcycle-talk-1957-1985/179861-factory-carburetors/page3?t=1932694&page=3)) \\ |
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