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| ====== REF: Engine Mechanicals - Sub-07G ====== | ====== REF: Engine Mechanicals - Sub-07G ====== | ||
| ====== Further Study of the Timed Breather Valve ====== | ====== Further Study of the Timed Breather Valve ====== | ||
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| === Air / Oil Path Out of the Crankcase === | === Air / Oil Path Out of the Crankcase === | ||
| - | **In stock configuration, | + | **In stock configuration, |
| - | A small amount of drain oil from each upper pushrod ball / socket drop to the gearcase then flows to the crankcase thru a hole in the bottom of the cam wall. \\ | + | Pressured |
| - | While the splash | + | |
| - | **The rotary breather valve functions to relieve crankcase pressure and scavenge oil from the crankcase**. \\ | + | **The rotary breather valve functions to relieve crankcase pressure and scavenge oil from the crankcase**.\\ |
| - | It also controls the flow of oil in the lubrication system. \\ | + | It also controls the flow of oil in the lubrication system.\\ |
| - | The breather valve does not pull any oil or air out of the crankcase. Piston downstroke does that. \\ | + | The breather valve does not pull any oil or air out of the crankcase. Piston downstroke does that.\\ |
| - | The breather is nothing more than a window of opportunity for air and oil to escape the crankcase. \\ | + | The breather is nothing more than a window of opportunity for air and oil to escape the crankcase.\\ |
| - | It's timed to engine rotation, opens just after piston downstroke and closes after piston upstroke begins. \\ | + | It's timed to engine rotation, opens just after piston downstroke and closes |
| - | Piston downstroke provides " | + | Piston downstroke provides " |
| - | **The FSM states that it is the flywheels that sends air and oil into the scavenge path to the gearcase**. \\ | + | **The FSM states that it is the flywheels that sends air and oil into the scavenge path to the gearcase**.\\ |
| - | This isn't the whole story. The oil slot (or galley) is taller than the scraper. Oil has to be " | + | This isn't the whole story. The oil slot (or galley) is taller than the scraper. Oil has to be " |
| - | The volume under the pistons on downstroke pushes oil thru the slot to the oil trap at the breather gear. \\ | + | The volume under the pistons on downstroke pushes oil thru the slot to the oil trap at the breather gear.\\ |
| - | The wheels alone are not powerful enough to push oil from under the scraper and into the slot pushed against the breather valve. | + | The wheels alone are not powerful enough to push oil from under the scraper and into the slot pushed against the breather valve. |
| - | **The flywheel scraper provides forward windage in the crankcase but can't scavenge oil by itself**. \\ | + | **The flywheel scraper provides forward windage in the crankcase but can't scavenge oil by itself**.\\ |
| - | Most of wheel windage is above the scraper. \\ | + | Most of wheel windage is above the scraper.\\ |
| - | Oil gets behind and under the scraper from gravity as well as the wheels. \\ | + | Oil gets behind and under the scraper from gravity as well as the wheels.\\ |
| - | Anything that is thick enough on the wheels to be slung off will hit skirts, piston unders, walls, crank bearings etc. and fall below the scraper. \\ | + | Anything that is thick enough on the wheels to be slung off will hit skirts, piston unders, walls, crank bearings etc. and fall below the scraper.\\ |
| - | Anything that slides down the wall will fall below the scraper. \\ | + | Anything that slides down the wall will fall below the scraper.\\ |
| - | Gravity holds it there under the scraper. The wheels are done with it until the oil shows up on the rear end. \\ | + | Gravity holds it there under the scraper. The wheels are done with it until the oil shows up on the rear end.\\ |
| - | The force from downstroke pushes oil to the slot. However, on the that end, higher windage and vacuum CAN pull it back up instead. \\ | + | The force from downstroke pushes oil to the slot. However, on the that end, higher windage and vacuum CAN pull it back up instead.\\ |
| - | The scraper won't stop that and air can only leave thru through the oil trap. \\ | + | The scraper won't stop that and air can only leave thru through the oil trap.\\ |
| - | So the scraper keeps oil from perpetually wrapping the wheels. \\ | + | So the scraper keeps oil from perpetually wrapping the wheels.\\ |
| - | Piston downstroke pushes both oil from under the scraper to the oil slot and to the oil trap and exhaust air to the oil trap as well. \\ | + | Piston downstroke pushes both oil from under the scraper to the oil slot and to the oil trap and exhaust air to the oil trap as well. |
| - | **The breather window is rotated to where the window is exposed to the crankcase area and oil and exhaust air pressure is pushed into the center of the gear**. \\ | + | **The breather window is rotated to where the window is exposed to the crankcase area and oil and exhaust air pressure is pushed into the center of the gear**.\\ |
| - | From there, oil and air is spun out the top of the hollow gear into the gearcase and further oil separates thru stages to lube moving parts on from there. \\ | + | From there, oil and air is spun out the top of the hollow gear into the gearcase and further oil separates thru stages to lube moving parts on from there.\\ |
| - | Opening and closing times of the different breather valves are below but the exact opening-closing points may vary between engines. | + | Opening and closing times of the different breather valves are below but the exact opening-closing points may vary between engines. |
| - | **As the pistons rise, the breather window is closed and vacuum begins building in the crankcase until the pistons reach TDC**. \\ | + | **As the pistons rise, the breather window is closed and vacuum begins building in the crankcase until the pistons reach TDC**.\\ |
| - | Then the whole cycle starts over again. | + | Then the whole cycle starts over again. |
| === Details in Pictures === | === Details in Pictures === | ||
| - | The pics below show the flow from the flywheel cavity to the return pump (applies to 76< only). | + | The pics below show the flow from the flywheel cavity to the return pump (applies to 76< only). |
| - | * The slot that runs East and West on the rear wall leads to the oil trap near the breather gear. \\ (oil galley, oil slot, oil passage, maybe other names for it) \\ That is the way out for both air pressure and pressurized oil from piston downstroke. | + | * The slot that runs East and West on the rear wall leads to the oil trap near the breather gear. \\ (oil galley, oil slot, oil passage, maybe other names for it) \\ That is the way out for both air pressure and pressurized oil from piston downstroke. |
| - | * The oil trap is a compartment (or temporary trap) that is sealed off from the gearcase by the breather window being closed. \\ Both the two different breather windows open after the pistons start decending. | + | * The oil trap is a compartment (or temporary trap) that is sealed off from the gearcase by the breather window being closed. \\ Both the two different breather windows open after the pistons start decending. \\ The pistons create positive air pressure before the breather opens (later down the cylinder). \\ So when the breather opens, oil and air are shot out of the gear faster since the piston has now built up some juice behind. \\ So air and oil is " |
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| + | **XL / XLCH scavenge oil path out of the crankcase**. | ||
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| + | | Oil slot. ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https:// | ||
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| + | | Another view of the oil trap. ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM https:// | ||
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| - | **XL / XLCH scavenge oil path out the of the crankcase**. | ||
| - | | Oil slot. ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http:// | ||
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| - | | Another view of the oil trap. ((photo by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM http:// | ||
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| ====== Breather Gear Specs and Information ====== | ====== Breather Gear Specs and Information ====== | ||
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| |26331-52|1952-1955 K Models| | |26331-52|1952-1955 K Models| | ||
| | Notes: | || | | Notes: | || | ||
| - | |26331-56|1956 KH / 1957-1959 Sportster|Opens | + | |26331-56|1956 KH / 1957-1959 Sportster|Opens |
| - | | Notes: |Timed off front cylinder. The window is open for 170° of rotation. Full vacuum is \\ created for 113° of upstroke travel of each cylinder.|| | + | | Notes: |Timed off front cylinder. The window is open for 155° of rotation. Full vacuum is created for \\ 135° of upstroke travel of each cylinder and continues to TDC front cylinder.|| |
| - | |26331-60|1956 KH, 1960-1971 Sportster| | + | |26331-60|1956 KH, 1960-1971 Sportster|Opens 25° (ATDC) and Closes at (BDC) ((thefrenchowl of the XLFORUM https:// |
| - | | Notes: |Replacement for breather gear 26331-56. Timed off front cylinder. It came with the \\ new breather and scavenge gear set (26330-56)|| | + | | Notes: |Replacement for breather gear 26331-56. Timed off front cylinder. It came with the \\ new breather and scavenge gear set (26330-56). The window is open for 155° of rotation. \\ Full vacuum is created for 135° of upstroke travel of each cylinder and continues to TDC \\ front cylinder.|| |
| - | |26331-72|1972-1976 XLH/ | + | |26331-72|1972-1976 XLH/ |
| - | | Notes: |Timed off front cylinder. It's open for 245° of rotation. This is the same as the \\ XR model preferred specs. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM | + | | Notes: |Timed off front cylinder. It's open for 245° of rotation. This is the same as the \\ XR model preferred specs. ((Dr Dick of the XLFORUM |
| - | |26331-56R|1970 XR-750| | + | |26331-56R|1970 XR-750|Opens 16°-20° (ATDC) and Closes at 80°-85° (BDC) ((Documentation provided by needspeed of the XLFORUM https:// |
| - | | Notes: | || | + | | Notes: |Timed off front cylinder. 1/4 speed oil pump|| |
| |26331-72R|1972 XR-750|Opens 14°-16° (ATDC) and closes 85°-90° (ABDC) ((1972-2003 XR-750 Service Manual pg 27))| | |26331-72R|1972 XR-750|Opens 14°-16° (ATDC) and closes 85°-90° (ABDC) ((1972-2003 XR-750 Service Manual pg 27))| | ||
| - | | Notes: |Standard version. Timed off front cylinder. 1/4 speed oil pump (2:1 ratio).|| | + | | Notes: |**Standard version**. Timed off front cylinder. 1/4 speed oil pump (2:1 ratio).|| |
| |26331-72R|1972 XR-750|Opens at 5° (ATDC) and closes at 105° (ABDC) ((1972-2003 XR-750 Service Manual pg 27))| | |26331-72R|1972 XR-750|Opens at 5° (ATDC) and closes at 105° (ABDC) ((1972-2003 XR-750 Service Manual pg 27))| | ||
| - | | Notes: |Improved timing version. Slot in upper cover must be widened to app. .340" to make \\ this possible. 1/4 speed oil pump (2:1 ratio). Still timed off front cylinder.|| | + | | Notes: |**Improved timing version**. Slot in upper cover must be widened to app. .340" to make \\ this possible. 1/4 speed oil pump (2:1 ratio). Still timed off front cylinder.|| |
| |26331-74R|1975-1980 XR-750|No timing slot ((1972-2003 XR-750 Service Manual pg 27))| | |26331-74R|1975-1980 XR-750|No timing slot ((1972-2003 XR-750 Service Manual pg 27))| | ||
| - | | Notes: |Engine has a bolt on sump and a 1/4 speed oil pump (2:1 ratio). Breather valve has been \\ undercut and is not equipped with a timing | + | | Notes: |Engine has a bolt on sump and a 1/4 speed oil pump (2:1 ratio). Breather valve has been \\ undercut and is not equipped with a timing |
| |26331-88R|1989-2003 XR-750| | |26331-88R|1989-2003 XR-750| | ||
| | Notes: |Timed off rear cylinder. ((1972-2003 XR-750 Service Manual pg 27)) Engine has a bolt on sump and a 1/2 speed oil pump (4:1 ratio). \\ Oil pump drive gear re-activated as a breather only. Oil pump design same as 1975-1980 \\ but with a more efficient gear design and improved oil routing. Turn rear piston to T.D.C. \\ and line up 0.12" dia. hole in gear shaft with notch in breather sleeve.|| | | Notes: |Timed off rear cylinder. ((1972-2003 XR-750 Service Manual pg 27)) Engine has a bolt on sump and a 1/2 speed oil pump (4:1 ratio). \\ Oil pump drive gear re-activated as a breather only. Oil pump design same as 1975-1980 \\ but with a more efficient gear design and improved oil routing. Turn rear piston to T.D.C. \\ and line up 0.12" dia. hole in gear shaft with notch in breather sleeve.|| | ||
| - | |52/71 breather opens 25 deg after TDC front cyl and closes at BDC front cylinder ((thefrenchowl of the XLFORUM | + | |52/71 breather opens 25 deg after TDC front cyl and closes at BDC front cylinder ((thefrenchowl of the XLFORUM |
| ====== Breather Gear Pics ====== | ====== Breather Gear Pics ====== | ||
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| 1957 to 1976 Sportster production pump breathers: \\ | 1957 to 1976 Sportster production pump breathers: \\ | ||
| - | |Breather Gears ((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM | + | |Breather Gears ((photos by Dr Dick of the XLFORUM |
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| ===== Timing events for 1 crank rev ===== | ===== Timing events for 1 crank rev ===== | ||
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| - | |Timing events of the 72-76 timed breather gear for 1 crank revolution for the front cylinder. \\ | ||
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