REF: Wheels, Brakes & Tires - Sub-03A

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====== REF: Wheels, Brakes & Tires - Sub-03A ======
====== Bleeding the Brake Lines ======

====== Bleeding The Brake System By The Book ======
==== Notes: ====

    * When checking the relief port operation:
      * The 2000 FSM says to check the relief port after bleeding the system. ((2000 HD XLH FSM pg 2-57))
      * The 95-96 FSM says to check it before bleeding. ((95-96 HD XLH FSM pg 2-31))
    * Spilling brake fluid on brake pads:
      * The MoCo recommendation is "**Caution** should be used when bleeding because any brake fluid on the pad will contaminate the pad material and reduce brake effectiveness. \\ The fluid absorbed by the pads cannot be removed satisfactorily with any solvent or by operating the brakes". ((HD Service Bulletin #M-712 dated June 16, 1976 pg 1))

==== When You Should Bleed The System ====

  - Bleed the hydraulic brake system anytime a brake line, M/C or caliper has been opened.
  - Whenever the brake pedal or lever operation feels spongy.  
==== Before Bleeding ====

Arrange for the master cylinder to be in a level position by standing the bike upright (off the kickstand).

==== Manually Bleeding ====

  - Install the end of a length of plastic tubing over the caliper bleeder valve. Place the free end of the tube in a clean container.
  - Add new brake fluid to M/C until the fluid level is 1/8” (3.2mm) from the top.
  - Depress and hold the brake lever / pedal to build up pressure.
  - Open bleeder valve about 1/2 turn. \\ Brake fluid will flow from the bleeder valve through the tubing. \\ Close the bleeder valve when the lever / pedal has moved 1/2 - 3/4 of it’s full travel range. \\ Allow lever / pedal to return slowly to its original position.
  - Repeat steps 2-4 until air bubbles are purged.
  - Add fluid and with the cover removed, actuate the lever to check the relief port. \\ Make sure there is a slight spurt of fluid upward verifying all the internal components are working properly.
  - Torque the bleeder valve to 80-100 in lbs. (9.0-11.3 Nm).
  - Install the cap on the bleeder valve.
  - Fill the M/C with new brake fluid to 1/8” (3.2mm) from the top.
  - Torque the M/C cover screws:
    * 95: 10-15 in-lbs. (1.1-1.7 Nm) ((95-96 HD XLH FSM pg 2-31))
    * 96: 6-8 in-lbs. (0.7-0.9 Nm). ((95-96 HD XLH FSM pg 2-35))
    * 00: 6-8 in-lbs. (0.7-0.9 Nm). ((95-96 HD XLH FSM pg 2-35))
  - Turn ignition on and pump the brake pedal / lever to verify operation of the brake lamp.
  - Do a test ride at low speed. Repeat the above procedure if the brakes feel spongy. 

====== Bleeding Methods from XLFORUM Members ======
There are many methods of bleeding brakes from XLFORUM members as outlined below. \\
All will work some of the time and none will work some of the time. \\
What works for one person doesn't work for the next either. \\

The right way is the way that works for you!

====== Reverse Bleeding Thru the Calipers ======
===== Using a Syringe =====

The key to this method is a slow push from the caliper to the master cylinder. \\ 
Too fast and you spit brake fluid all over the bike and the floor. \\ 
The handle end of the master cylinder must be higher than the hose end so the air bubbles will move to the relief port of the master cylinder. ((ryder rick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1025390&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) \\
You can also use a squirt type oil can with some rubber tubing on the spout slipped over the cracked-open bleeder. ((chopfather of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33235&page=3)) \\
Or, you can use a turkey basting syringe and a foot of rubber hose. 

  - Discard the needle from the syringe, remove lid from master cylinder and re-set it on top. \\ It must be off of course, but the master cylinder must be covered to prevent the fluid from squirting 10' across the shop. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1489822&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) 
  - Attach a short clear plastic tube to the end of the syringe. \\ Best to use a tube that is "too small" in diameter. \\ This is important to get a really tight seal on the bleeder to the point you have to force it onto the bleeder with needle nose pliers. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1489822&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) 
  - Use the syringe to empty the master cylinder and discard this fluid. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1489822&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) 
  - Fill the syringe with new brake fluid and let stand for 5 minutes or so for the bubbles to rise out of the syringe / tube. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1489822&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) 
  - Attach to bleeder, hold it upright and fiddle with the tube until air has risen into syringe. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1489822&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) 
  - Loosen the bleeder and slowly squeeze the fluid through. \\ Do not release pressure on the syringe without tightening the bleeder. \\ Or some fluid and possibly some air may get drawn back. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1489822&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) 

Using 30ML syringes (or anything smaller than 60ML), \\ 
You'll have to push fluid at least two separate times to get new fluid / air from the bottom to the M/C. ((TheForce of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-50864.html)) \\

  - Draw in a 30 ML's of brake fluid into the syringe and cover the master cylinder with a rag.
  - Attach the syringe to the rubber hose and gently push the fluid into the system.
  - Once you have pushed about half the syringe (15 - 20 ML's) up the system, shut the bleed valve. \\ (without removing your hose and syringe) \\ You should have a little fluid in the master cylinder. 
  - Fill it to the fill line or 1/4" from top.
  - Lightly pump the M/C a few times and hold.
  - Open the bleed valve and repeat until you feel a good strong push.
===== Using a Vacuum Pump =====

  * You can use a vacuum pump to reverse bleed fluid from a jar, up the brake line and into caliper. ((Matt of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47150))

====== Force Bleeding Thru the Bleeder Screw ======


===== Using a Hose and a Jar =====

  * Get a small rubber hose like for the windshield washer on your car about a foot long. \\ You may need to heat it to get it over bleeder valve tip. \\ Put it on the bleeder valve and place the other end in a jar submerged in brake fluid. \\ You can use a jar with a lid and punch a hole the size of the hose in the lid. \\ This keeps the hose from coming out the fluid in the jar. \\ As you pump the brake and let off, the only thing it can pull back is brake fluid. \\ The air goes out the fluid in the jar. \\ Do this awhile and you'll see no more air bubbles coming from the jar. \\ Close bleeder and your good to go. \\ Make sure to not let the master cylinder go dry while doing this. ((ezmerf of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1062732&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe&page=2)) \\

===== Using Gravity Assist =====
If you're bleeding air; ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072934)) \\
You can use a clear hose on the end of the bleeder screw (hung high) and you can see exactly what's coming out the brake system. \\
This gives confirmation of the presence of air / debris as well as positive reinforcement that the air is being expelled. \\
You can watch the air move which helps in understanding how to remove it. \\
Below is an example of merely bleeding the air off. \\

If you're changing fluid; \\
You can bring the hose up from the bleeder valve, tie it loosely somewhere on the side of the bike and then bring it back down into a catch can. \\
This will allow you to purge fluid out the hose and still control air. \\
The downstroke (pushing the pedal / lever), forces only what's in the lines already into the hose. \\
Releasing the pedal \ lever (at rest) is what adds fluid into the lines from the M/C. \\

  - Install a clear tube (from the hardware store) on top of the bleeder screw.
    * About 3-4 feet is used in the pics below.
    * You just need it to be taller than the caliper and where you can hang one end and see it while pumping the pedal / lever.
  - Install the opposite end on a syringe (with the plunger removed) or small funnel. \\ If simply bleeding off air, see step 3. \\ If replacing fluid, skip to step 4.
  - Add enough fluid thru the syringe / funnel so you can see it in the hose from where you'll be working.
    * Usually about 2 feet up from the bleeder screw on the rear, front will need to be a little higher with fluid.
    * The fluid will creep on down toward the bleeder.
  - Hang the open end of the line (with the funnel or syringe) overhead via clothes hanger wire hooked on both ends or use what you have.
  - Crack the bleeder screw open.
  - Open the M/C top.
    * Verify that there is a small bubble in the center when you push the pedal / lever to make sure the M/C is working.
  - With the top off, operate the pedal / lever to force air / fluid into the hose.
    * A fast push sends air / fluid out of the clear hose.
    * A slow release allows fluid to flow back into the caliper while the air pulls back slower than the fluid.
    * The air will also creep up the hose when the pedal / lever is held down or fully released.
    * You'll understand how the air moves out better when you see it.
    * Don't let the M/C get low on fluid during this process.
  - Repeat until you feel the pedal is getting a slight back pressure and no air is coming out into the hose.
  - Top off the M/C, install the cover and take a slow ride to make sure the brakes are not spongy.
  - Repeat the procedure if so.

Adding brake fluid to the hose uses gravity to pull fluid into the screw while air rises up the hose. \\
Don't add fluid to the hose if you're planning on flushing the old fluid from the M/C side.

|Setting up the clear tube. It just takes elevation. Don't stretch the hose or it will come off the bleeder screw. ((photos by Hippysmack))|||
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Any fluid in the hose will fall to the bleeder screw. \\
Remove the M/C cover. You can leave it off for this procedure. \\
Operate the pedal / lever as described above. Fast push, slow pull. \\
Wait for air bubbles to appear and / or rise in the hose before releasing the brake. \\

|If you find sludge / goop in the M/C, Do Not operate the pedal / lever until you clean it out (this junk will be sent thru the system next). \\ Use a paper towel to soak up the fluid and then wipe down the inside of the unit. ((photos by Hippysmack))|||
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Notice the black particles in the pic below moved into the tubing from a fast push. \\
You can tie off the lever / pedal and watch the air move up past the fluid (that was pushed out only) but this is slow. \\
And it will not remove the air inside the system. Then you just have to do it again anyway. \\
When done, pinch the tubing, pull it off, tighten the bleeder and remove all the fixings. \\

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Install the M/C cap and check for brake pressure. If still spongy, repeat the above. \\
You can also use a small funnel on the open end of the tubing if you can find one small enough for the hose. \\

|The tubing below was cleaned afterwards with brake cleaner shot into it while stretched vertically. \\ |||
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===== Using the Finger Method =====

  * First, top off the master cylinder and then remove the bleed screw completely. ((rick szymanski of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1417991&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe))    
  * Plug the bleed screw hole with your finger tightly.
  * Have a friend or you can do it yourself, one at a time.
  * Squeeze the brake while holding tightly over the bleed hole.
  * The fluid and air will push past your finger and seal immediately when the brake is released.
    * Your finger will let pressure spray out, but will not let air get sucked back in. ((dabronco of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47150&page=2))
  * It's a lot easier and faster than the opening and closing a bleed screw. 
  * You can do dual calipers at once this way if you have a helper.
  * Once you have a solid stream of fluid, you are fine. ((rick szymanski of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1417991&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe))
  * This is exactly what Speed Bleeders do. They take the place of and act the same as your finger would. ((Hippysmack))
  
===== Using Speed Bleeders =====
  * Swap your bleeder screw out for a [[http://www.speedbleeder.com/|Speed Bleeder®]]. (('79 Supercharged Fuel Inj of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1188401&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe&page=2)) \\ It is very simple to install:
  - Simply clean the area around the old bleeder screw so that no dirt or contaminants can get into the brake system.
  - Remove the old bleeder screw and discard.
  - Screw in the Speed Bleeder into the wheel cylinder or caliper until it seats.
  - Unscrew the Speed Bleeder 1/4 to 1/2 turn.
  - Slowly pump the brake pedal approximately 4-5 times. (You do not have to close the bleeder screw between pumps.) \\ A one way check valve lets the air and fluid out when the pedal is pressed. \\ Then it immediately closes between pumps preventing new air from re-entering the system between pumps.
  * After bubble-free fluid comes out of the Speed Bleeder screw, close the bleeder until it seats.
  * Proceed to the next caliper until all are bled.
  * The Speed Bleeder screw has a check valve inside so it can't suck air at the bottom. They're cheap too! ((oldnavy of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1025390&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe))

Speed bleeder part numbers by manufacturer. ((IXL2Relax of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15444&page=5))
|Brand|Material|Size|Part#|Length|Notes|
|Russell Brand Speed Bleeders|Stainless Steel|1/4-28|R40525|  ?  |HD (44179-58)|
|:::|:::|3/8-24|R40526|  ?  |HD (44146-77) \\ HD (44146-82) \\ HD (44048-83)|
|:::|:::|8mmX1.25mm|R40527|  ?  |
|:::|Steel|1/4-28|639540|  1"  |
|:::|:::|3/8-24|639590|  1"  |
|:::|:::|3/8-24|639600|  1.5"  |
|:::|:::|8mmX1.25|639520|  24mm  |
|:::|:::|8mmX1.25|639620|  39mm  |
|Goodridge|Stainless Steel|1/4-28|SB1428|  1"  |XL Up to'77 Frt/Rr \\ HD (44179-58)|
|:::|:::|3/8-24|SB3824|  1.29"  |XL '78-'03 Frt/Rr \\ HD (44146-77) \\ HD (44146-82) \\ HD (44048-83)|
|:::|:::|8mmX1.25mm|SB8125LL|  38mm   |XL '04+ Frt/Rr|
|:::|:::|8mmX1.25mm|SB8125L|  33mm  |XL '04+ Frt|
|Dorman|Steel|1/4-28|12703|  1"  |
|:::|:::|3/8-24|12701|  1.19"  |
|:::|:::|8mmX1.25|12705|  28mm  |

===== Using Motion Pro's "Easy Bleeder" (08-0143)  =====
This is a billet aluminum one-way inline check valve (internal check) using 3/16" hose from and to the check unit. ((https://www.motionpro.com/product/08-0143)) \\
It does the same as speed bleeders except it doesn't use an alternate bleeder valve. \\ 
It allows air and brake fluid to escape, but will not allow air to re-enter the system. \\
**Note**: This tool will not bleed air from a dry system. \\

  - Attach a piece of 3/16” I.D. clear plastic tube to each end of the tool. \\ The internal check valve allows fluid to flow in the direction of the arrow. \\ So the arrow should always point from the caliper to the brake fluid catch can.
  - Clean the brake calipers, caliper bleeder valves and master cylinder.
  - Position the proper size wrench onto the caliper bleeder valve. \\ Next, secure the inlet hose of the tool onto the caliper bleeder valve. \\ (you may also want to removethe bleeder, add a little grease to the threads ands re-install it to keep air from entering through the threads)
  - Remove the brake master cylinder cap. To avoid brake fluid spillage, leave the cap resting loosely on top of the reservoir.
  - To ensure proper operation of this tool, it is necessary to prime it. \\ To do this, position the tool vertically and begin to depress the lever/pedal. \\ Make sure to close the bleeder screw when pressure is not applied. \\ Repeat until brake fluid is seen in the outlet hose. \\ Position the outlet hose of the tool into a brake fluid catch can.
  - Open the bleeder valve approximately one-half turn. \\ **CAUTION**: If the brake fluid level in the master cylinder becomes too low, air will be introduced into the system. \\ Depress and release the brake pedal or lever several times to bleed air out of the brake system. \\ Replenish the reservoir with clean brake fluid as needed. \\ Repeat this procedure until all air has been removed from the brake system (no air bubbles appear in the inlet hose).
  - Tighten the bleeder valve, top off the master cylinder, clean and re-install the master cylinder cap.

===== Motion Pro's Mini Bleeder =====
This tool is a combination bleeder valve wrench and check valve. ((https://www.motionpro.com/c/mini-bleeders)) \\
The wrench goes over the original bleeder as usual so you can loosen it. \\
There is a rubber seal inside the socket that seals off leaks from the nipple. \\
And an internal check valve lets fluid / air out but not in. \\
It comes in 8mm, 10mm, 11mm and 3/8" sizes at a cost of about $30. \\
 
  * Complete brake bleeding system.
  * Internal check valve for fast easy bleeding.
  * Anodized billet aluminum handle with chromoly steel body.
  * Compact size for tight spaces.
  * Internal seal.
  * Multi position handle.

====== Vacuum Bleeding ======
You can get an inexpensive vacuum bleeder at most auto parts stores. ((stealthammer of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=791904)) \\
Basically, you suck the fluid out of the system's hoses, calipers, and master cylinder using a small hand held vacuum pump (known brand: Mighty Vac). ((Joebug of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5707568&highlight=mighty+vac#post5707568)) \\
You draw all the air out with the brake fluid. \\
But it doesn't always work when tiny air bubbles are trapped in crevices etc. inside the internals of the master cylinder. \\

As in the case when using DOT 5 brake fluid. ((DIESEL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91538&page=2)) \\
DOT 5 is silicon based and it requires patients when using a vacuum bleeder. \\
It may frustrate you more than anything if it sucks too hard (creating air bubbles). \\

===== Mighty Vac =====

The Mighty-Vac's big point is assisting in clearing brakes lines of air bubbles, in lines that have high spots which air migrates to. ((Gone of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47150)) \\
If the system is void of those problem areas, a Mighty-Vac is not likely to work any better.

  * **Setup**:
    * Attached to the bleeder is the smaller diameter clear hose (its a very tight fit).
    * To that, you have a black adapter to go from the smaller line to the 1/4" line. 
    * This goes to one side of the cap for the recover cup.
    * Inside the cap you will attach a section of the 1/4" line about four inches that goes into the cup.
    * Put cap on cup and then run another section of 1/4" to the mightyvac pump.
    * Make sure you hook up the pump correctly so you are pulling vacuum and not creating pressure. \\  (front of the pump gun not the top port)
    * Fill master cylinder.
    * Pull the bleeder, add some grease (not Teflon tape) on the threads and reinstall it snug by hand. \\ (the grease is to keep air from getting past the threads while using the vac)
    * Hook the vacuum line to the bleed screw. The line goes to a collector jar that has an additional port that goes to the vacuum pump.

  * **Apply vacuum**. 
    * It should only take about 8 to 10 pumps or so to get up to over 20 psi and hold.
      * Low vacuum is best. Too much and you pull air past the seals and it just looks like the air is never going to quit (because it isn't). ((Wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2071413&highlight=mighty+vac)) \\
    * Open the bleeder (1/4 turn or so) and the air and fluid will pull right through. ((Shu of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=791904&page=3))
    * Keep vacuum until it's a steady stream of fluid, then close it off. ((rick szymanski of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1417991&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) \\ Make sure to maintain a vacuum or it could let air back in. ((baka1969 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1697062))
    * This will still take several tries until you get fluid. \\ Make sure you keep an eye on the bowl and don't let the fluid get too low or you will start to suck air. \\ Keep repeating until you on longer see any bubbles in the fluid line into the mightvac.
  * Once you get fluid, close bleeder, top off the master cylinder, put cover the back on and try to pump the brake pedal. 
  * When you get pedal, then bleed manually to ensure that all air has escaped. ((XLFREAK of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1062732&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe&page=4))

  * If you apply vacuum and can not build it, then you have a leak somewhere in the system that must be repaired. 

[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTySPh9xXJs|Here is a video on it also]] \\
|Mighty Vac for sucking brake fluid from the master cylinder and out the bleeder screw. ((photos by cat5752 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=295754&page=2))||
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===== Aquarium Pump =====
You can hook up one of the cheapo aquarium pumps to the brake bleeder. ((flskevin of the xlforum http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33235)) \\ 
Setup is pretty straight forward. \\
The lower volume pump is all you need and they are usually between $10 and 15$ at Walmart or others.
  * Install the inlet hose to the bleeder valve.
  * Install the outlet hose in a container.
  * Remove the M/C top.
  * Open the bleeder screw and power on the pump.
  * Keep an eye on the fluid level in the master cylinder and don't let it go low.


====== Binding the Pedal / Lever ======
  * This method relies on time under pressure where the microscopic bubbles migrate up the line to the reservoir. \\ The master cylinder has to be higher then the caliper and lines to and fro. \\ This is critical to getting the air up and out of the system. \\ Then while applying normal light to medium braking pressure on the pedal / lever; \\ Wrap some tape or rope around it to keep pressure on the system when you let go. \\ Let it stay like that at least overnight. The next day remove the binding and work the pedal / lever. It will feel firmer than it has ever felt. \\ By keeping the fluid under extreme pressure over an extended period of time; \\ It forces the microscopic bubbles to migrate together into large enough bubbles to slowly work it's way up to the master cylinder. \\ However, this still traps air between the plunger and the master cylinder. \\ When you remove the binding the next day; \\ The pedal / lever relaxes the plunger to open the path into the master and allow the trapped air to float into the top of the reservoir. \\ If you've already tried another method, have brakes but they are soft and don't want to open the bleeder again, this might finish the job. 


  * For the front, tie the brake lever to the grips with tape, a rope, or a zip tie. ((ReddTigger of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1697062)) \\
    * With the bike on the side stand turn the bars so the master is positioned with the banjo bolt head pointing slightly downward. ((PaddyD of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15444&page=5)) \\ This puts the tiny feed hole in the master uphill of everything. \\ 
  * For the rear, the front tire needs to be elevated enough to set the rear master cylinder higher than the caliper / brake lines.
  * Either you'll have a firm lever / pedal in the morning or you'll see leaking in the assembly, lines, banjos.etc.
  * Or course, if it's still spongy, try it again.


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====== The Tickle and Tap Method ======

With this method, you leave the bleeder screw closed. ((hybriDatsun350 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47150)) \\
You'd think this wouldn't work as well for the rear with the M/C lower than the caliper. But it is said to work. ((cantolina of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33736)) \\
Take take the cap off of the master cylinder and flutter the lever. \\
You barely have to move it back and forth. Just continuously tap it from the front with your hand and you will see air bubbles coming up. \\ Air should rise through liquid. \\
Stop every once and a while and tap the line with the handle of a screwdriver to free any stuck air bubbles.

  - With the bike on a lift or the jiffy stand, turn the front wheel to the LEFT until the front master cylinder is as close to level as possible. ((Gold951 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53378&page=2)) \\ Squeeze the brake lever as far as you can and note how the brakes feel and how far the lever moves.
  - Clean the area around the reservoir cap, remove the cap and top off the brake fluid. \\ Leave the cap off.
  - Starting at the front caliper, __gently__ rap the brake line with a screwdriver handle or similar tool, working your way up the brake line.
  - Now tickle your brake lever. Move it no more that 1/8" or so. ((cantolina of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33736)) \\ Looking into the reservoir, you will notice a particular point when the air comes up. \\ (not everytime, but always in the same place in the lever movement) \\ Sometimes it comes out in very small bubbles. You may have to use a flashlight at first.
  - When air stops coming out, quickly release the brake lever letting it "snap" against the mechanical stop.  \\ (you should see small bubbles coming out of the small port in the piston bore)
  - Repeat steps 3 through 5 several times. \\ The size and quantity of bubbles should decrease.
  - Slowly squeeze the brake handle as far as you can. \\ Note brake feel and lever travel and then quickly release the brake lever.
  - Repeat steps 3 through 7 as necessary. \\ Repeat this for quite a while until you have 'some' lever. \\ Then you may need to proceed to bleed as usual afterwards (depending on results). ((cantolina of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33736)) 
  - Top off the master cylinder and install the cover.

====== Gravity Bleeding ======

  * This takes a while, but it works. Open the bleeders and wait for a steady leak and close the bleed screw. Should be good. ((rick szymanski of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1417991&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe))
  * Try leaving the top off of the master cylinder overnight. Sometimes the air will work itself out over a few hours. ((jharback of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1025390&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe))
  * Tap the line lightly to help move bubbles that may be stuck somewhere in the system. ((rejeanprimeau of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1632435&page=2))

====== XLFORUM Bleeding Advice ======
===== Patience =====

  * **Don't give up**
  * Bleeding a bike MC can be a chore. ((PetesPonies of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1025390&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe)) \\ If you get frustrated with it, walk away. \\ Come back to it when you are in a more calm state of mind. ((aswyk of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1062732&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe&page=3))

===== Before bleeding =====

==== Before attempting to bleed the lines ====

    * Remove the M/C top, actuate the pedal / lever and make sure you can see a bubble in the center to make sure the M/C is working.
      * Pump hard on the brake pedal lever. You should see a small buble as mentioned above. 
      * If you see a geyser in the reservoir, you've torn the rubber cup in the master cylinder. ((rejeanprimeau of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1643503)) \\ (to avoid this in the future: open the bleeder when pushing your caliper piston in)
    * Make sure that the system has been thoroughly cleaned/flushed of all old fluid and any debris.
    * Fill the system/brake cylinder bowl with the correct fluid.
    * Ensure that the relief port is clear of debris.
    * Make sure the brake cylinder piston is fully retracted. ((XLFREAK of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1062732&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe&page=4))
    * Check the brake pads to ensure they are within spec.
    * When you crack the bleeder valve, only turn it a 1/4 turn or so. ((DaytonaSportster of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1637840&page=2)) \\  Any more and you will get air from around the threads. \\ Also if you're using a vac, make sure it's not leaking where you attach it to the bleeder nipple.

==== How the master cylinder transfers fluid ====

    * The downstroke, pushing the pedal / pulling the lever, forces (only) what's in the lines already into the hose. ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5740029#post5740029)) \\ Releasing the pedal (pedal at rest) is what adds fluid into the lines from the M/C reservoir.
    * The compensation port (from the reservoir) sits just in front of the main plunger seal. \\ The lever has to fully retract or the port get's blocked off by the seal.
    * This is also why you can leave the M/C cap off during bleeding. \\ The brake lines are shielded from air infiltration from the reservoir with the plunger engaged.
    * When the plunger is depressed, the system pressurizes and the easiest route out is the compensation port to the reservoir. \\ (until the plunger pushes past the port) \\ This is why their is a small spurt in the cup when you press the lever or pedal. \\ If this turns out to be a gusher, the plunger seals need to be replaced.
    * **Bypassing**: a term meaning the seals are old, fluid is bypassing the seal and not pushing the fluid down to the caliper. ((iNSaNeSHaNe of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2070555&highlight=m%2Fc)) \\ Just get a rebuild kit if this is happening.

Cutaway showing how the compensation port gives fluid into the system. ((photos by Hippysmack of the XLFORUM  http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5697405#post5697405)) \\ Front M/C shown but both front and rear operate the same. \\ 
|Plunger removed, port to bowl exposed.|Plunger at rest, brake system is open to M/C|Plunger engaged, brake system is closed to M/C|
|{{:techtalk:ref:wheels:master_cylinder_cutaway_1_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:wheels:master_cylinder_cutaway_2_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|{{:techtalk:ref:wheels:master_cylinder_cutaway_3_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&300|}}|

==== Notes regarding brake fluid ====

    * Paint peel-ability of different fluids: \\ DOT 3,4 & 5.1 can peel the paint on frame and other painted parts. \\ DOT 5 is silicon based and will not peel the paint. \\ You can spill DOT 5 brake fluid virtually anywhere and harm nothing. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=867917&page=2))
    * **Caution**: \\ Do not mix DOT 5 with (DOT 3,4 or 5.1) \\ Also reference the [[techtalk:ref:wheels03#brake_fluid|Brake Fluid]] article in the REF section of the Sportsterpedia for type per year model, specs, mixing fluids etc. \\

==== Notes regarding brake lines ====

    * Take the trash out. \\ Check the M/C, calipers and lines to make sure they are free from debris or sludge. \\ Old brake fluid will break down and solids will fall out of suspension and block passage ways.
    * Old rubber brake lines may get weak from the inside. \\ This can cause them to bulge at the weak spot and not send pressure to the caliper. \\ It's sort of like a baloon being inflated. ((jharback of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1637840)) \\ It doesn't do it normally enough to be noticed (but enough to drive you crazy trying to track the problem down). \\ Just keep an eye on them while actuating the lever / pedal.

==== Lever / Pedal ====

    * Make sure the piece that hooks up to the actual lever that controls the brake is adjusted correctly. \\ It makes a considerable difference in the function of the M/C. ((DIESEL of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91538&page=2))

==== Check for leaks ====

    * If you pull the cap off the M/C and the reservoir is very low or dry, that usually points to a leak somewhere. ((Deimus of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91538)) \\ Possible, even if you could bleed it, there is still a problem that you should take care of. \\ Before you can build pressure, the system has to be leak free. \\ (this is especially important when changing lines / components) \\ Gussers will be obvious. But weeping leaks may be harder to detect in a fast visual scan.
    * **There is no reason to use Teflon tape on any brake connections**. \\ If you want to seal the threads on the bleeder screw (normally unnecessary with conventional bleeding) try greasing the threads first. \\ Teflon tape can get sucked into and stop up the orifices (especially on flared fittings).

==== Trapped air ====

Trapped air that refuses to leave will drive you crazy trying to find it.
    * **Brake fluid**: \\
      * When DOT 3, 4 or 5.1 fluids trap air, the smaller bubbles can migrate and come together to form bigger bubbles that are fairly easy to remove. ((Gold951 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53378&page=2))
      * When DOT 5 fluid traps air, the bubbles have some difficulty migrating, so the bubbles tend to be smaller and there are more of them. \\ Also, when you pressurize a DOT 5 brake system that has trapped air and then let the pressure off; \\ The DOT 5 fluid tends to break the original bubbles into even smaller and smaller bubbles. \\ What you end up with is a brake fluid that has lots of microscopic air bubbles and your brakes feel spongy. \\ DOT 5 holds stupid amounts of air and you'll get no lever until its out (or at least most of it). ((cantolina of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33736)) \\ You may find that re-bleeding the caliper every couple of days will eventually get you a hard pedal for awhile. ((sportsterpaul of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1632435&page=3))
    * **Calipers**. \\ Sometimes small air bubbles get stuck in the caliper.
      * Try removing the caliper (M/C cap off) and pressing in the piston which will force fluid / air up into the master. ((iNSaNeSHaNe of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2070555&highlight=m%2Fc))
      * You can also reduce the volume needed to fill the system, temporarily, by chocking the pads in the retracted position. ((bustert of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2070555&highlight=m%2Fc&page=3)) \\ It takes less fluid with no movement of the pads and will take out any surge issues. \\ Once you get a hard feel, unblock the pads and then pump out while keeping the master full. \\ It may help if you vacuum the fluid up from the caliper. \\ Another way is to just let it sit overnight since the fluid will seek its own level.  
    * **Brake lines**.
    * **Master cylinder**.

===== Bleeder valve issues =====
**Before you strip the bleeder screw head**: \\
Helpful wrench advice: \\
  * Do not use an open ended wrench on the bleeder nipple ((stevo of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=61198#post61198)) (unless it has already been stripped). \\ Use a 6 pointed box end or socket to match the 6 pointed head, 12 point wrench to 12 point head. \\ Using a 12 point wrench on a six point head will most likely end up stripping the flats.
  * This can happen when the wrong size / type wrench is used on the bleeder screw and / or too much torque was applied. \\ Next to come out of the toolbox is usually the vise-grip pliers. \\ This works sometimes but, when it doesn't, it will round off the rest of the hex head or break the screw in half.
  * You can also use a flare nut wrench. ((Gold951 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53378&page=2)) \\ It looks just like a standard box end wrench except the box is slotted so you can get the wrench on brake fitting flare nuts.

**After you strip the head.** \\ 
Removing a stripped or worn down hex head on the bleeder valve: \\
  * You can use a Dremil tool with the metal cutting blade or even a small file and cut / form a flat on two opposite sides of the screw. \\ The heat generated will help and you can then use an open end wrench to remove the bleeder screw. \\ Then, of course, replace the bleeder with a new one.

|{{:techtalk:ref:wheels:brake_bleeder_screw_removal_by_hippysmack.jpg?direct&400|}}|
|  Flats cut on two sides of bleeder screw ((photo by Hippysmack))  |

You can also remove the caliper and carefully placed it in my bench vice to get a better grip on the bleeder screw. ((dlo883 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53378&page=2)) \\
Then use vice grips on the bleeder or cut 2 flats on it to remove the bleeder. \\
Clean the hole out with a brush / canned air and replace with a new the bleeder valve.

**Broken off Bleeder Valve**: \\
Brake fluid holds some moisture and can cause the screw to rust. ((mjbogrand of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425716)) \\
Before doing any type removal of a broken off bleeder valve, it's best to remove the caliper. \\ That way, you don't introduce contaminates into the brake system.

  * **Possible fixes without removing the caliper**:
    - The valve already has a hole in it so you can try inserting an Easy-Out to remove it. \\ Careful as it takes no force at all to snap them off and they are hard to drill. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425716&page=2))
    - Leave the bleeder alone. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425716&page=2)) \\ You can bleed fluid and air by slackening off the pipe fitting nut where the brake line screws into the caliper. \\ Loosen it as you squeeze the lever, tighten it before letting the lever go. \\ It's messy, but Harleys using DOT 5 fluid won't strip the paint. \\ Do it over the lawn or over an old newspaper and then wash down with soapy water when done. \\ The old broken nipple is not going to come loose . That is why it broke in the first place. \\ And all the air comes out the brake line connection as long as it's the highest point on the caliper. \\ And, you wont have to rebuild the caliper that way.

  * **Possible fixes by removing the caliper** (and afterwards, replacing the seals): \\ Heat and / or lubricants (especially WD-40) can destroy the seals.
    - Spray the remains of the valve with penetrating lube, let it set a bit, then use an Easy-Out to remove the remaining piece. ((mjbogrand of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425716))
      *  Stop if it slips, and go back to soaking. ((sunchild2071 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1925442)) \\ Don't make your mission to get it out in one day. \\ Use a straight penetrating fluid, not penetrating fluid/lubricant. The lubricant will help the removal tool slip, as well.
    - Remove the caliper, strip it completely and drill to the largest diameter possible without getting into the threads. ((simeli of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1925442)) \\ Be careful not to drill through the seat. Lightly tap an easy out into the drilling, remove the easy out (don't try to remove the piece just yet). \\ Put heat directly on the bleeder until it just starts to glow red (the heat will travel quickly into the aluminum). \\ Invert a can of air and spray to quickly cool the bleeder (the heat will remain in the aluminum so you have to do the next part quickly). \\ Insert the easy out, give it a "light tap" and turn out the piece.
    - You could drill it and use 2 small picks to pick out the old bleeder threads. ((mjbogrand of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425716))
      * After drilling to the maximum size without getting into the threads, install a 1/32" bur on a Dremel tool.  ((simeli of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1925442)) \\ Take the remainder down to the threads in two spots 180 degrees from each other. \\ Use a pick to remove the leftover pieces of the bleeder (this is very tedious and time consuming).
    - You could also try a left handed drill bit. ((mjbogrand of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425716)) The heat generated and the (unthreading) motion may loosen it. \\ However, if you drill it, you'll need to completely disassemble the caliper to remove the swarf. ((66xlch of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425716&page=2)) \\ If you ruin the threads, they make an 1/8" pipe thread adapter which has a bleeder screw in it.
    - Heat the caliper with a propane torch and try to unscrew the nipple with vice grips or drill it out with a left handed drill bit. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=425716&page=2)) \\ The caliper is aluminum so it will expand and loosen the grip on the nipple.
    - If you've got a wire feed welder, dismantle the M/C, get a thin jam nut and plug weld it to what's left of the bleeder. ((Racepres of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1829559)) \\ Let it cool a bit and unscrew the nut (and bleeder). Install a caliper rebuild kit and a new bleeder.

  * **Or you can just search for a new or used caliper**.

**Stripped bleeder threads**: 
  * **Bleeder threads**.
    * You can use a "Brake bleeder repair kit" if the actual threads in the caliper are bad. ((decman of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53378)) \\ You can get the kit at most auto parts stores. \\ Try a search for Dorman (13915) [[https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dorman-HELP-Bleeder-Screw-Repair-Kit-for-1-4-to-7-16-or-7mm-to-10mm-Scr-13915/161464962895? epid=17017014407&hash=item25980fcf4f:g:9xUAAOSw86Jaa5z6|Bleeder Screw Repair Kit for 1/4" to 7/16" or 7mm to 10mm Screws]] \\ You will need to drill out the hole and tap for the new threads.
    * Here is another link: [[https://www.ebay.com/itm/HArley-FX-FXE-SPORTY-FRONT-Brake-Caliper-Bleeder-Repair-Kit-USA-SCREW-HOLE/132024051789?hash=item1ebd3f284d:g:ngYAAOSwiDFYRGIF:sc:USPSFirstClass!36801!US!-1|Harley FX FXE SPORTY front brake caliper bleeder repair kit]] \\ 1/8" clearance in the caliper wall is all that's required. \\ Drill out bleeder hole to 25/64" diameter and 3/4" deep. \\ Tap with a bottoming tap 7/16"x20 (at least 10 threads). \\ Remove the chips.



===== Attaching a hose to the bleeder valve =====

  * **Sizes**:
    * The I.D. needs to be smaller than the mouth of the bleeder screw so you can install it tight on the bleeder.
    * A 5/16" hose will work but 1/4" works better. \\ 1/4" is harder to get on but it won't slip off (as easily).  ((Horse of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=61198#post61198))
    * Tygon R-3603 PVC tubing (3/16" I.D.) works good also but it may be harder to come by. \\ The wall is thick and it holds tight.
    * All else fails, take your bleeder screw off and take it with you to a hardware store to size the hose to fit. 
  * **Color**:
    * Clear PVC hose works good (available at most hardware stores) and with it, you can see debris and air bubbles escaping. \\ Although any color will do.
    * In watching the air bubbles through a clear tube while pumping the brakes with the bleeder valve opened; \\ You will see force both push and pull the air. \\ General rule of thumb should be to push hard, release slow. \\ You push more air farther towards the outlet point when the force is faster. \\ When bleeding at the calipers, the tubing installed on the bleeder screw should be higher than the caliper to allow air to 'want' to go there. \\  Releasing the force (lever or pedal) fast will allow the air to suck back towards the master cylinder at the same speed it was forced out. \\ Releasing at a slow rate will allow more fluid than air to return by the time the lever / pedal stops home. ((Hippysmack))
  * **Attachment**:
    * The hose I.D. should be smaller than the O.D. of the bleeder screw head so it fits tight once installed. \\ Pressed on with your fingers, it should not easily come off. \\ However, unless it is fastened on, any hose will come off when pulled on.
    * You can also put a zip tie over the hose / bleeder just tight enough to keep it on the bleeder if needed. ((Loner of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=61198#post61198))
    * When attaching a piece of hose to the bleed valve on the caliper, place a box wrench on the bleeder first. \\ Then put hose over it on the valve. ((Big Al-1200c of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=867917&page=2))
  * **Length**:
    * About 3-4 feet should do. You just need it to be taller than the caliper and where you can see it while pumping the pedal / lever. ((Hippysmack of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2072934))
    * You may find the more length you have, the more versatility you have when using several bleeding methods. \\ It wouldn't hurt to buy a 10 feet or more roll of tubing. It gives you more options.





===== Where to buy syringes =====
A syringe can be used to reverse bleed from the bleeder valve to the caliper. \\
The syringes needed are the big ones (not an injection syringe as you'd normally see used in medical applications). \\
A 60 ml (2 oz) syringe is just the right size. That is about the amount that will fill the master cylinder and the line. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=295754&page=2))

  * Sources for syringes:
    * You can buy the 60 ml irrigation syringe at any drug store, especially one specializing in home medical products. ((IronMick of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1489822&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe))
    *An irrigation syringe from your local pharmacy. ((docweston of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1025390&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe&page=2))
    *A mustard or ketchup squirt bottle. ((Loves Curves of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1456442&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe))
    * A big ole horse syringe from a veterinarian supply store. ((rocketmangb of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1632435&page=2))
    * Bird supply shops sell a variety of syringes that are used for hand feeding newborns. ((stealthammer of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33235&page=2))
    * Tractor Supply (or other farm implement stores). ((72Iron of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33235&page=3))

===== Leave the calipers on =====

  * Rumor has it to take the calipers off to bleed the brakes. \\ There is no reason to do this unless you have a defective master cylinder. \\ Bleeding the lines with the calipers on is the best way to accomplish the chore and to keep from inducing more air or damage to the brake system. \\ Below are some good examples of this. 

===== Bench bleeding a new master cylinder =====

  * On a new master cylinder (or one that has been removed from the bike); \\ You can bench bleed it to purge the air out of the master cylinder before installing it onto your brake system. ((sunchild2071 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-1314881.html))
    * Hook up a short temporary line to it and leave the other end open. 
    * That open end is routed (must be clean) into the fluid in the master cylinder reservoir (in the fluid, not above).
    * Then actuate the master cylinder until fluid starts pumping, and no more bubbles appear.
    * Once this process is done, install the M/C, hook up your actual brake lines and continue bleeding at the caliper bleed screw.
===== Master cylinder issues =====
  * **Clean the hole(s) in the bottom of the master cylinder:**
    * The transfer hole(s) can get clogged from debris or solids that drop out of suspension in the fluid itself. \\ Clear them with a pin, a bristle from a wire brush, welding tip cleaner or other or the master cylinder will not transfer fluid properly.
    * The holes can be plugged up solid yet still look like there is nothing in them. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=295754&page=2))
  * **If none of the methods below work for you**; \\ You may either have a leaking compression fitting, \\ The cup in the master cylinder is blown out, \\ Or the big O-ring in the caliper is not sealing against the piston. \\ Those are the only three places for air to enter the system. ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1062732&highlight=Brake+Fluid+Bleeding+w%2FSyringe&page=2))
  * **If it is a brand new master cylinder and it is not squirting hard** when you have the hose disconnected, \\ You might have a faulty Taiwan Trash master cylinder. ((Hopper of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=857384)) \\ If none of the bleeding suggestions below work, try putting your old master cylinder back on. \\ Sometimes, you'll end up with a new aftermarket master cylinder that doesn't work. \\ The seals have been known to be jammed in cockeyed from the manufacturer. 
  * A plugged or covered relief port can cause brake drag or locking of the brakes. 

  * **The 04-up rear master cylinder is well noted for a split primary cup**. (((Wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1643503&page=2)) 
    * It seems to regularly rear it's ugly head when you replace the rear tire or compressing the rear caliper piston, but there is no connection. ((wedge of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65452&page=8)) ((sfxtech of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75157))
      * What seems to happen is that the primary cup gets torn in the center and it manages to still work as long as the MC is not disturbed much. \\ (since it is backed up with that flat metal plunger which helps it seal even though broken)
      * **Symptoms include**:
        * Loss of brake pressure and then it's regained as you ride. ((CBAS5 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65452)) \\ Or, you may 'feel' something different with the brake pedal but the brakes may still function just fine.  ((devilswild66 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65452)) \\ Another account: \\ "Felt like there was air in the system, but a few pumps on the pedal and I could ride for a day or two until the pedal got low again". ((vferdman of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75157&page=3)) 
        * Spongy brake pedal. ((Hot Rod Sporty of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65452))
        * Complete loss of brake pressure not to be regained.
        * Can not bleed the system no matter which method used.
      * The new cup has a tit on it that goes into the center hole of the washer that is welded to the end of that spring. \\ When the parts are new the problem doesn't seem evident. \\ But if you take the broken cup and the spring/washer and hold them together on the bench, \\ You will see that the washer can slide sideways quite a bit within the center of the primary cup. \\ The tapered spring may try to cock some every time the pedal is pressed causing it to work against that tit until it breaks it off. \\ (and leaves a split across the cup) \\ The better cure may be to put a larger washer on the end of the spring so that it will not keep fighting the tit for centering. 
      * Then they are a bit of a pain to bleed, but with a broken cup they won't bleed anyway. \\ Bleeding is the other problem, and the big loop in the brake line is a possible cause for this (trap for air). \\ Also, some have said that the return hole in the MC is too small. \\ But, enlarging it is risky unless you can make sure that there is no burr left to hurt the new cup.
      * If, after tying back the rear brake lever (and everything else you are trying), the brakes do not pump up correctly,  \\ then just get the rebuild kit and follow the instructions. 
      * It's quick, simple, easy, and if that cup is split you will never get it to bleed correctly regardless which method you try.
      * The rebuild is an extremely easy job as long as you have a good set of retaining ring pliers. \\ If you loose the retaining ring that holds the master cylinder plunger to the bell crank, it is a 1/4". ((klinesamuel of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65452&page=5))

|  04+ split primary cup. ((photo by sfxtech of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75157))  |  M/C rebuild kit (42830-05) ((photo by sfxtech of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75157))  |
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|  More pics of the 04+ split primary cup issue. ((photos by devilswild66 of the XLFORUM http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65452))  |||
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